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tonight, is this gadhafi's last stand? the u.n. says his forces are going house to house killing indiscriminately. gadhafi's son says he will live and die in libya. but the world is demanding that the gadhafis give up. live on the ground tonight. plus, eyewitness to chaos, an american woman who escaped from libya tells her story. the news out of hollywood is all about charlie sheen's meltdown. is he done in this town? is it possible he's clean and sober? i'll ask dr. drew.
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then director kevin smith. >> i hate talk shows, but i love green rooms, thank you, piers. >> his most controversial film yet and his side of that flying while fat story. >> i am not buying two seats on this piers show. this is "piers morgan tonight." good evening, the reports we're getting from tripoli tonight paint a picture of a city under siege. moammar gadhafi's own people are flooding twitter and facebook with eyewitness accounts of the horrifying bloodshed. and today the world is finally reacting. listen to u.n. secretary general ban ki moon. >> people cannot leave their houses for fear of being shot by government forces or militias. gadhafi supporters are reportedly conducting house-by-house searches and
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arrests. according to some reports, they have even gone into hospitals to kill wounded opponents. >> a rebel-controlled eastern libya pitches very different there. people are flooding the streets in a show of solidarity with the citizens of tripoli. ben wedeman is live in benghazi tonight. good evening, ben. what are you sensing now about what we're seeing in terms of gadhafi and the people? is this the beginning of the end? or could this get worse and worse? >> reporter: well, that it's the beginning of the end or maybe beyond that point, i don't think anybody doubts. but whether it'll get worse, the feeling is yes. things could get very bad at this point. we're hearing about more mercenaries coming in. some libyan exile groups are saying that mercenaries from eastern europe from the ukraine, for instance, and serbia have
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been brought in in addition to the african mercenaries we've seen here in the eastern part of the country. the picture that's emerging from tripoli is indeed disturbing. it appears that there is -- at this point -- zero tolerance for any dissent. people did try to go out after friday prayers today and demonstrate. but apparently they came under intense gunfire as soon as they started to gather. we're hearing stories of bodies being taken out of the morgues, bodies of people killed in the protests and being buried in beaches and in the desert to make it appear that the death toll is, in fact, lower. it appears that the policy of moammar gadhafi is similar to that of jengas khan simply slaughtering his opponents where he can. in fact, today in green square he made an appearance where he said that he will turn libya
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into hell if he has to just to maintain his power over this country. piers? >> i mean, quite extraordinary statements. and also, an even worse one i thought from his son who said that plan "a" was to live and die in libya, plan "b" is to live and die in libya, plan "c" -- they're going nowhere without an almighty fight, are they? >> no, they certainly aren't, and it's interesting to see saif, the man who promoted himself as the voice of moderation or reform of libya. many say that the mask has fallen. he is a carbon copy of his father, somebody who has made some blood chilling threats to the libyan people in the last few days. and people at least in this part of libya -- they listen to these statements and they're concerned.
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they thought that they had successfully expelled the gadhafi forces from the eastern part of the country. but they see this rein in terror in tripoli. there's no point in waiting for the international community to take action. it may be time to organize some sort of defense force or rather military force to take offensive action against what remains of the gadhafi regime. because the people in tripoli say this cannot go on for much longer. piers? >> do you get a sense from the people in benghazi that they now would expect some kind of foreign military intervention here? obviously you talked there that perhaps they would mobilize their own forces in some way. but do you feel as this bloodshed starts to really accelerate that the time may be
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coming where they say to the international community come and help us? >> well, individual libyans do tell you that they would actually welcome some sort of intervention by a foreign military force, but in public, people are very hesitant to make that sort of statement. in fact, the -- the municipal council for benghazi met this evening. and in fact, they could have a statement saying that they do not want foreign interference in libyan affairs during this difficult time. but many libyans feel that given what we've seen so far from moammar gadhafi and his willingness to use the air force against peaceful protesters, it may come down to jus that that only foreign intervention could prevent more slaughter of people in this country. piers? >> thank you for now. we'll come back to you before the end of the show. tonight, hundreds of desperate americans have finally made their escape from the chaos in libya.
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the ferry arrived at the port in malta after being stuck for three days. ivan, pretty dramatic stuff there. and the testimony coming from these people even more dramatic. >> reporter: that's right. and it seems to be part of a broader plan to basically evacuate all of the u.s. diplomats from the u.s. embassy in tripoli. just ahead of a statement from the white house, piers, imposing sanctions on what's left of the gadhafi regime. what we saw here were several hundred -- more than 300 passengers arriving on a ferry boat that had been waiting for two nights in the tripoli harbor to try to brave very stormy seas to come here. it is the first of a number of vessels that are expected throughout the night here as the kpi dus. the stories of massacres taking place from friends. take a listen -- >> i feel for the people who are still there and who didn't get a chance to get out because it's chaos. >> very, very distressing.
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>> reporter: -- people leaving their loved ones behind. >> i feel for the people who are still there and who didn't get a chance to get out because it's chaos. >> very, very distressing. >> reporter: -- people leaving their loved ones behind. >> yeah, i mean, ivan, when you talked to them, do you get a sense that the scale of the atrocity happening in libya now is many times worse than perhaps we realize? >> reporter: you know, from these people, these desperate people, many of them said they hadn't been able to see and witness things firsthand.
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they'd only heard things. and i think the evidence is coming out from really though youtube videos that are being smuggled out people are really risking their lives to get out these pieces of real citizen journalism. where i've seen videos of 15 men laying on a road side in uniforms executed, their hands tied behind their backs. these are just the first signs. that and the defections of air force pilots, you know. you've got two air force jets that are still parked here in malta airport from two pilots who defected rather than open fire on their fellow citizens. those are the signs of what steps this regime is willing to take and has, perhaps, taken and are indicators that we are probably going to learn much more in the days and weeks ahead. piers? >> ivan, thanks very much.
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we'll come back to you before the end of the show. but for now, could it turn into a safe haven for terrorists. joining me now the coordinator of the u.n.'s al qaeda and taliban monitoring team. richard, what do you think about the potential here for a vacuum in libya that would allow al qaeda who don't have a huge presence there at the moment to perhaps come in and see some kind of control? >> well, i think it's a very important question. but i think in the short-term, it's very unlikely that al qaeda will be able to take advantage of the situation. even if it's a vacuum, as you say, and it may well be and may well be as your correspondent in benghazi being a pretty violent vacuum. i think al qaeda doesn't have the local support to be able to take any immediate advantage of that. and i think what their policy will be and they'll be, of course, watching this as closely as we all are is to think okay, let's see how it goes, let's
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hope there's oppression of some sort, whether it's colonel gadhafi coming back into authority or whoever takes over for him demonstrating authority over the state and perhaps we'll be able to recruit more people on the basis of our saying, look, it's only if you're well organized and violent that you're going to achieve anything there. >> what is the threat, do you think, to the world in terms of terrorism? from all that we're seeing in the middle east. as you see the domino effect of this revolution and the uprisings spreading across the region. is the terror threat getting worse? or in a have strange way, could it be getting better as you see these dictators being toppled? >> no, i think you're right. in a strange way it's getting better. this is a tremendous blow to al qaeda. particularly what's been happening in egypt where you're a popular revolt, if you like, has led so far, anyway, to some very real results. and the results being achieved in 20 days al qaeda having been
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able to achieve in 20 years. i think that's a real blow for the messages that al qaeda tries to put out that it's only through violence that you can achieve real change. and all the things that i think were driving young egyptians, young libyans towards al qaeda, these things like a sense of powerlessness or sense of humiliation, a sense of lacking purpose and any vision for the future. you could see in the square, all the faces, all the people there, they immediately got pride in their country, a sense of purpose and a sense of belonging and empowerment, all the things that al qaeda had been praying on and exploiting. so far it's been a real blow for al qaeda. >> thank you very much, indeed. president obama has been walking a fine line ever since the chaos in libya began. how much can the white house do to get gadhafi to give up and go? joining me now is my colleague john king. john, as we see these desperate scenes from libya apparently getting worse by the second, what kind of pressure is now getting on to the white house
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and president obama to actually consider some kind of military intervention with the wider international community? >> no talk as yet, piers. they did have an emergency meeting of nato to discuss possible, emphasis on possible, military options down the road. what the president is doing tonight is taking a much more aggressive tone. as you know he has been criticized for moving too slowly, being too timid, for not standing with the people of libya. tonight -- and timing is critical -- once the americans on that ferry reached malta, once a plane carrying americans reached istanbul, the president shifted quickly. this is the sanctions, sanctions imposed against moammar gadhafi, his four children, and any entity of the libyan government that tried to crack down. explaining the sanctions, talked
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about the brutality going on and had a much more aggressive tone. saying going forward the united states will continue to closely coordinate our actions with the international community including our friends and allies in the united nations. we will stand steadfastly with the libyan people in their demand for universal rights and a government that is responsive to their aspirations, their human dignity cannot be denied. that is a tougher tone, a more aggressive tone. it stops short of the french president who says gadhafi has to go. but the white house is ratcheting up the pressure. >> we're going to hear a statement. oh, we're not now. john, let me ask you -- is it sort of a human imperative for america and the international community to intervene. if you look at what happened in bosnia, serbia, is it any better or worse than what was done? and we weren't in there. >> the one point we don't know is the scale. you were having a fascinating conferring with ben and ivan. we know the atrocities taking place, we're beginning to hear from the people leaving.
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i spoke to a young libyan, the scale of it we do not know, but the bloody brutality we do know. that is why nato had the meeting. i talked to leslie clark and he said at the moment hep doesn't yet see the reason for military intervention. but he says if gadhafi tries to hang on, 24, 48, and 72 hours longer, if we hear continued reports of atrocities. and god forbid, there is mustard gas in libya. he has other weapons he could use against his people. if this goes on through the weekend, i think we'll be having that conversation in a much more open and urgent way quite soon. >> yeah, i think there's got to be huge pressure there because, you know, you're seeing a situation where we don't know how many people are getting killed. but the stories of house-to-house slaughtering of the people, this is genocial behavior. and if we do wait, goodness knows how many more thousands of people will get killed.
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gadhafi's made it absolutely clear, they are going nowhere. they will love and die in libya. i think there's a lot of pressure now building from the wider public. watching this thinking we've got to get in there. >> i think you're exactly right. and the financial sanctions announced today. let's be clear, no one in the obama white house who think financial sanctions will work. however, they do think you need to do that, freeze the assets, billions of dollars in foreign libya assets, freeze them. here in the united states and around the world to keep that money out of the hands -- not so much worried about gadhafi, but his children trying to move that money around the world and trying to use it. and the conversations about military action, it will be fascinating. there were a lot of critics saying why hadn't nato met sooner? why did it take until today? at the white house they defended
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that saying they didn't want to become pawns in this. as they say, these confrontations will intensify, they also say they need to look to the europeans who have closer relationships with the libyan people to see how farther willing to go. and i think it's very noteworthy that president sarkozy at the moment has been the most aggressive in saying gadhafi must go and the world must nudge him to go. >> i think it's noteworthy and it's not great for great britain that our prime minister there has not said the same thing. john king, thank you very much. >> thank you. when we come back, an eyewitness account of the chaos in libya by an american woman who has just escaped.
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a ferry packed with desperate americans finally arrived in malta tonight. along with the director of the american school of tripoli.
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and she joins me now with her dramatic eyewitness account of the chaos in libya. judith, what has your experience been like? we're hearing appalling stories coming from libya. >> hi, piers. i'm one of the lucky ones. we just heard a lot of things by rumor, but i didn't actually see anything. i think the thing that was very disconcerting for most of us was that everything happened so quickly. all of the events that could've taken place in the last few days were absolutely unexpected. we have heard a lot of horror stories from some of our libyan personnel. and things basically unravelled for us in a short amount of time. we were expecting to have the school open on monday, but events that happened sunday night. and we got all the teachers to the school using it as a safe haven and camped out there for two days so we could start making plans to evacuate 24
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teachers. >> judith, did you get a sense just before you were taken to safety that there is a rising tide of anti-americanism? did you fear for your lives in that sense? >> not really. ever since i've been in libya, which is four years now, i feel that mostly they're very pro-american. they've been so excited to have, you know, the americans and the westerners back, you know, after a long period of sanctions. the people were finally starting to have businesses for themselves and, you know, maybe once in a while we would get one anti-american comment. but i really didn't feel that way. the last few days maybe it changed a little bit. if we go out in front of the school and people would drive by and the guards would tell us sometimes it was anti-american. but for the most part, no. i have to say that i -- i've never met such a sweeter group of people. the libyan people are for the most part very warm and very excited about, you know,
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developing their country. and that's why it's so tragic what's happening today. i left behind an awful lot of wonderful people, and i worry for them very much. >> judith, finally, obviously it's tragic for those who are caught up now in this horrifying retribution for gadhafi. we may be seeing the end of gadhafi. do you believe that's a good thing for libya in the long run? >> you know, i don't want to get into politics here. i'm just an educator. i just want the libyan people to be able to live their lives in a good way. and, you know, i don't know what would transpire should gadhafi fall. but i do want the libyans to
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have a better life. and this is not a better life. and what he's doing to the libyan people right now is horrific. >> judith drotar, thank you for your time. we have more breaking news from libya later in the hour. and coming up, the extraordinary meltdown heard around the world involving charlie sheen.
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here in hollywood, this is oscar weekend. but all anybody can talk about is charlie sheen and his epic meltdown. meltdown. and it's not over yet. today the troubled star called in to pat o'brien's radio show and made a bad situation about 100 times worse. let's listen. >> you guys are a couple of aa nazis and really just blatant hypocrites in that whole regard. >> who are you talking about? chuck laurie. >> chuck and lee, they do not practice what they preach. it's so transparent and so sad. i watch them wailing on people that have been loyal to him for
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two decades and then it gets into the men's group on friday and talks about surrender and acceptance is key. really, chuck? accept these keys. >> yesterday charlie sheen wrote this letter about chuck laurie posted on tmz. and here's just a part of it. he writes i fired back once and this contaminated little maggot can't handle my power or the truth. i wish him nothing but pain in his silly travels, especially if they wind up if my octagon. well, dr. drew pinsky is here. he has a new show launching on hln. what's going on with charlie sheen, do you think? from a medical perspective? >> well, from a medical perspective presently is just sort of describe and list what we're looking at. did you hear in the radio broadcast pressured speech? he talks about thomas jefferson and jumps from topic to topic. irritable, aggressive, grandiose -- that's classic hypomania. he's clearly in an unstable
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state. that's the fact. there's no denying it. look at the data there. the question is, is that really the underlying disorder? or is this addiction causing hypomania? at this point, it really doesn't matter. because hypomanics kill themselves, hurt other people, become gravely disabled. and he's just inches off -- >> are you worried about charlie sheen? >> he is inches off needing a 72-hour hold a 51/50 where people are held against their will because these states that clearly he's in go to a very bad place. i know people toss around whether or not we should be approving or disapproving of his behavior. that's not the issue. i hope he lives his life as he pleases. the problem he's gotten himself his brain into an abnormal space that behavior that will be for sure terribly, terribly dangerous. and then once that's taken care of, then the addiction -- >> i want to play you a clip from an interview with bret michaels, the poison lead singer who is a good friend of
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charlie's. let's listen to a bit of this. >> i think what people are masking -- and i'm saying this -- and this is probably the toughest thing for me to say. i think that it's -- you got to -- someone has got to stop just blaming the drugs. we have this in our band, it's happened to me, happened to bobby. sometimes you've got to look beyond the drugs. the drugs just mask what's going on. and i think the help has to be way beyond -- going to a couple weeks of rehab ain't going to fix it. >> what's the answer? what's the simple quick fix for charlie, do you think? >> i don't think there is one. >> what do you make of what bret was saying. >> bret is right and bret is wrong. there is to quick fix, although he can be stabilized psychiatrically. he does need to be detoxed and what not. every addict wants to believe there's a reason they're using. but there's two separate conditions. there's the addiction, which gets triggered, and the underlying issues that push somebody over into addiction in the first place.
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and yes, he's right, they both have to be dealt with. but first, you can't do anything until you've dealt with the addiction. and that takes many months just by itself. the issue of dealing with the so-called demons, which in my world i tell people if you have bad enough addiction you need to see me, 100% probability you've had childhood trauma. >> would you treat charlie if he came to you? >> if i had the time. i probably do not have the time because i have a new show coming on hln. but i certainly could organize a quality team that would be able to treat him. but it's the conundrum of addiction. you have to want to get better. he's getting so impaired psychiatrically that eventually provided he doesn't harm himself or somebody else and the legal system step in, eventually the psychiatric system's going to step in. >> do you think friends and family ought to have been tougher with charlie in terms of his behavioral lifestyle? >> people keep asking that question. and the sheens know this very
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well. you can't. you can practice the programs, do codependsy work, there's only so far you can go. i think cbs navigated this very well. the fact is, hundreds maybe thousands of jobs are affected by charlie sheen's behavior. >> the argument, of course, is that he never had any problem onset. >> right. which for men, the workplace is the very last place affected by their work. and because he had no problems at work, cbs couldn't fire him. he's not an employee, an independent contractor. the only way they could get rid of him is shut the job down. and that affects hundreds of other people. and they're responsible to more than just charlie sheen. i'm sure we're concerned about him and his well being, he's a great guy. addicts are great people, it's not that he's a bad guy. he's doing things -- god bless him -- that suggest he's going to a place that's going the be very dangerous. >> dr. drew. thank you very much, and good luck with your launch hln april 4th. i'll be watching.
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later in the hour, we'll go back to libya live. and my interview with hollywood's ultimate outsider, indy king kevin smith.
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kevin smith is the king of indy film makers. the ultimate hollywood outsider. writer and director of films from "dogma" to "jersey girl" to the new "red state." you're now at the epicenter of hollywood. >> is that a fat joke? i have the planetary gravitational pull. >> it's not a fat joke. >> i thought we were starting there. >> we did not -- what is your honest view of the oscars? >> it's fine. seems more like a popularity contest than anything else. but every once in a while the right person seems to get the award. i was so happy when martin scorsaze got his award. this year, i hope "the king's speech" wins. i've worked with harvey for years and years. >> harvey to me is what that
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movie mogul should be like. >> harvey was our model. me and john gordon, the guy that made this movie "red state" with me, we call our company the harvey boys in honor of mr. winestein. he was always an amazing force of nature to be around. and you felt fortunate, blessed because you're like they're going to write books about this guy. he was one of the last or is the last mogul -- >> well, six weeks ago, "social network" was storming to oscar glory in almost every category. and i was talking to harvey at the time, and he says this isn't over yet. i'm not giving up without a fight. and here we are running into the oscars. looks like "the king's speech" will sweep everything. >> and it appeals to everybody, not just people that have had a speech impediment. it appeals to anybody who has ever had anything, this is my achilles heel, the thing i can't
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get over. the it's well acted across the boards. it's touching. i don't care who you are, i've seen 12-year-old boys roll a tear, i've rolled a tear. >> the show hasn't aired yet, but it was a fantastic interview. and what i was -- a, how bright he is, but second, how resolutely normal he is. >> yeah. >> completely unfazed by the whole kind of hollywood scene. >> i, of course, spent way more time with him back in the early days. one gets married and has a family and that's it. he also became like a superstar. but any time you see him, he's always like, hey, man, how are you? and it's right back to where you were the last time you ever saw him. of anybody i kind of met or i came up with those dudes. >> ben affleck, do you still speak to him? >> yeah, from time to time. i went to his premiere of "the town" at the director's guild and talked to him very, very briefly before that screening.
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but it was cool to kind of kick back and watch him direct now, as well. and it's nice that he's kind of -- people have been giving him a break now. i guess he has to quote unquote redeem himself. that was frustrating to watch. because he's a wonderful actor and he got tripped up by a relationship. people got very tired of this. and because of that started going after his work. and yeah he made some bad flicks, including some say one of mine -- >> but is a professional failure worse than anything that happens to you personally? >> that's the thing, on the inside it never feels like failure, especially to me -- this sounds like one of those dopey things you put on a poster, but failure's just success training. if you don't get it right the first time, you come back resolute the next time. "mall rats" we supposedly failed gave birth to "chasing amy." "cop out" gave birth to red state. and each one can draw a direct line in how the movies are connected. and regardless of what critics may have thought of about them. most people kind of deal in the
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moment. >> name your favorite movie of all time. >> jaws, jfk, do the right thing, and the last temptation. >> do they ever change? >> no, that hasn't changed. those five movies played a role in motivating me to the point where i'm sitting here talking to you today. >> why don't you go for a big commercial? >> number one, i don't have if i have the talent to do it. number two, more important through, there's so many more talented people to do that. i didn't get into this business to do huge movies. i wanted to make "clerks," movies about people like me and my friends. and i don't really -- i honestly don't even feel i should be a director. for me the notion of like film making or me as a director has always been an uneasy fit. i'm a screen writer who happened to direct his own stuff. >> i want to get into your new movie "red state" which in
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>> we're following the news out right now, my guest kevin smith. you have produced another provocative movie "red state" stirring up all sorts of trouble. i want to play you a quick clip. >> okay. >> abigail tivoed a segment on the 5:00 news. you'll have to watch it later if you want to. see yourselves on the tv. >> yeah. here's what we're going to do next week. we're going to paint the garage. i know how you love that. >> come on, please. >> how about you?
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>> i mean, look, the one rule of thumb with movies is get into religion or race or any of those kind of issues and you're going to stir up all sorts of provocative responses. you i know have been reacting like, i know, why is this one so controversial? but why are you surprised? >> i'm not surprised but at the same time i also don't think it's very controversial. i don't think this movie has traveled beyond the film community into the real world and there can't be controversy in the film world whatsoever. that's like everyone in the same kitchen arguing about a recipe so to speak. the title "red state" has had some conservatives saying, what's this about? is he taking shots? it's a horror movie. i also thought it was a favor to both parties. you take that title off the table for other people and, you know, maybe there's a more peace between red and blue states. that's a side thing, but literally for me it was like red state -- >> what is the message of the film? >> there is no message, it's a horror movie. the it's entertainment. this one isn't really like i've
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got something to say, not like "dogma." this to me was like -- >> i'm not sure i believe it. because kevin smith always has something to say. you're too smart a director -- >> that's why i'm trying to get out of film. i'm done saying things in films. this to me, honestly, i know i'm at the end of my rope here, the end of my career. and i've made so many comedies and i love comedy. i didn't get into films to make comedy, i got in to make films. i want to cram as many genres in as possible. it's my best trying to do quentin tarantino by way of the cohen brothers. let me make a movie, my chief goal being if people see it they'll be like there's no way you made this movie, you had nothing to do with this movie, right? and people would say, i don't know how to say, this, but -- >> what is the simple plot line. >> the simple plot line is three boys find this website like a
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craigslist. these high school boys and find a woman who says come out to my trailer in the woods and since they're high school boys, they say okay. and she answers the door, gives them some beers, they wake up in the subterranean extremely fundamentalist chapel as you saw in the sequence. they're trapped, they're held prisoner, and it looks like it's a horror movie and plays like a horror movie and there's unsettling murders. and then it switches gears. then it becomes a different movie and it does that for 20 minutes, so by the end of the movie, there's a 30-minute gun fight sequence. it looks like nothing i've ever done. the beautiful thing is, we've been able to keep the contents quiet. right after sundance, all anyone talked about was, they're taking it out themselves. there was stuff they didn't want to talk about without talking an't the content of the movie,
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and that's awesome for a film maker. so we've been fortunate and i decided to take this one out myself. rather than distribute it normally through a studio system, i figured maybe i could handle this distribution myself. the movie is only $4 million, so that's always been my achilles heel. if we sell it, they're going to spend $20 million to market it. that's already five times the amount of the budget of the movie. that's always felt weird to me. when you realize the marketing cost attach the $20 million plus $4 million, we're break even point. the studio doesn't give that $24 million. they only get half. so now i have to make $48 million to make my little $4 million horror movie to break even. >> it's crazy economics. >> absolutely. if you're disney and you make a movie that cost $150 million, you better spend $100 million marketing it worldwide, because
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you've got to launch a franchise, video games, maybe a cartoon, toys, sequels. i don't make sequels or remakes. i don't make a franchisable movie. "red state" demands a lot of the audience, and at that point i can't afford to put $20 million on top of it to trick people into coming and see a movie that's not for them. >> if you won an oscar for this film -- >> it will never happen. >> "king's speech" cost $12 million. >> but that's a warm, touching film. >> you, kevin smith, are called up to receive the oscar next year -- >> in this hypothetical, how big is my dick? >> like all things in hollywood, it's negotiable. who is the one person you would thank most? forget the long list? >> jen, my wife, hands down. to forget her would be to give up sex forever. also, she's my partner.
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without her, i don't do anything. >> kevin, it's been a joy. thank you very much. >> thanks, man. >> the situation in libya is worsening by the minute. next, we'll go there live for the latest news.
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now more on libya. i want to show you a piece of dramatic video that's just come into us from facebook. it appears to be recorded in tripoli and shows people on the streets. suddenly there's the sound of gunfire, shouts and the camera falls to the ground. take a look. [ gunfire ] >> we can't be sure what happened to that cameraman. i want to bring in cnn's ben wedeman live now in benghazi. what it shows is an illustration what is happening all over libya right now, just people being shot in the street.
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>> reporter: that's what's going on, piers. it appears that the level of violence in tripoli is increasing, as moammar gadhafi feels he's pushed further and further into a corner. he's lost control of the east of the country. diplomats have defected. military officers have defected. planes that he thought he controlled have flown out of the country. not surprising that the level of violence in tripoli is dramatically increasing. >> ben, it's obviously a very unpredictable situation, but given your knowledge of the region, given your knowledge of gadhafi as a human being, what do you think is going on in his mind right now? >> reporter: well, that's -- that's a hard question to answer, because most libyans have no idea what's going on in his mind. they think he's taking the drugs that he accuses his opponents of inviting.
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clearly he realizes the end is near, and we saw his son saying that he has plan a, b and c, all of them, which are to live and die in libya. there's really not much for him to do at this point. we've heard some of his former ministering saying that they expect him at some point to commit suicide when it becomes apparent that he'll no longer be able to stay in power. but this is a man really looking at the final days of his regime. eventually the forces which are growing against him, both domestically and international, will overcome him. but the worry is that final chapter is going to be a bloody one. piers? >> ben, how long do you think gadhafi can hang on like this realistically? now in addition to all of those factors i mentioned before, you have the united states imposing